- BWRA held its second informal meeting on 23 March 2023 at 7:30PM
- The meeting was held online via Zoom
- Introductions
- Update from BWRA Secretary
- Progress of official formation of BWRA
- Current building issues: Building Issues
- Situation regarding Management etc.
- Any other matters
- Update from BWRA Secretary
- Another long one, sorry. (!)
- RL went through situation regarding management and how leaseholders might be able to regain control (summary below)
- Formation of Residents Association:
- RL started on standard constitution Draft Constitution
- It's somewhat dry and formal. We probably want to modify it to allow for things like:
- Online voting, Online meetings, Electronically signed joining forms etc.
- Make some of the meeting / accounts / reporting requirements less onerous or not apply while the RA is small / in start-up mode.
- (e.g. a clause that the financial / audit requirements do not apply until members vote for this and/or significant sums or money are held etc.)
- Relax the meeting requirements until the membership is above a certain number, but still require minuted online meetings and but with less formality.
- Less formality until the RA is legally recognised. (If it has no legal power, much of the constitution seems unnecessary until it does.)
- Clause to appoint new committee member if they are not able to carry out their duties or do not respond for a given period (e.g. if they do not attend meetings).
- I would welcome anyone's input into this. Please feel free to make notes / amendments in the document above.
- We spent a long time discussing the current situation, including:
- EWS / Taylor Wimpey / Cladding - Read below for update re: MP / Taylor Wimpey.
- Management situation
- Energy Bills - IW to look into what we can claim. We need to forward this to MDB.
The situation is still largely unchanged as outlined in January 2023, so I won't type it all again here. Response from MP / twitter etc below.
- Building issues - nobody raised any new building issues.
- No service charge accounts
- Nothing received despite letters and emails
- It is not that easy (or useful) to actually try to enforce s.21 of LTA 1985.
- It's all mounting evidence though, so I encourage leaseholders (At least in blocks A+B) to send their own S.21 letter.
- Feel free to use mine as a template or the wording / more info is available at LEASE (Leasehold Advisory Service)
- Possible, but can be a long and expensive process.
- We have to prove fault with the existing MA and give them the opportunity to address the issues.
- It can take a long time to get a court date, and they do not take the decision lightly. They will want to see evidence of serious, sustained malpractice.
- We would likely have to pay high legal costs (our legal costs and that of the company, even if we were to succeed!)
- Any new managing agent is appointed for a limited period by the court. They answer to the court, and not leaseholders.
- They can only do what was agreed by the court.
- It can revert to the original MA who has the right to apply / appeal.
- Having taken further advice on this, I am not convinced this is the right approach.
- With the RMC, (BWMC Ltd), we effectively already have the right to manage our own development.
- We'd have to get at least 50% of the leaseholders to agree.
- Adding an RTM company on top of the existing RMC doesn't seem practical. RTM is designed for leaseholders to gain control from a freeholder or developer.
- As we are effectively our own landlord, we'd only be trying to get control of ourselves!
- There are some further problems where leaseholders who have gained “Right to Manage” when developers/freeholders have been able to pass on the full liability for cladding remediation to the leaseholders via the RTM company. This situation would need to be clarified.
- (This was not the intention of the Building Safety Act, but developers have found various loopholes.)
- As the current directors do not respond, there is not really any other option left but to request a meeting to remove the current directors from office, and appoint new directors.
- Unlike the various housing and leasehold law, The Companies Act 2006 is much clearer in what we can do:
- Under s.303 of the CA 2006, the members can request a general meeting:
- At least 5% of the members to sign the request
- Submit resolutions to appoint new directors and remove the current directors.
- The directors must send a notice calling the meeting within 21 days, to be held not more than 28 days after this notice.
It was agreed that Option 3 would be the best course of action:
- We can call a meeting without having to involve solicitors or courts etc.
- We need only 5% of members (e.g. 4) to sign the s.303 notice to request the general meeting.
- We need at least two people willing to be appointed directors. (preferably 3 or 5.) - subject to the requirements to become a director.
An L&Q shared ownership leaseholder sent me a copy of their lease and the associated head lease.
I had been told that the L&Q residents were not entitled to be directors of BWMC Ltd / were not members.
I have now clarified that this is not true. Their lease requires that they become members of the company within 7 days of completion.
- RL to draft S.303 notice and resolutions etc.
I tweeted the BBC correspondent, Alex Forsyth.
The situation at Benedicts Wharf is a nightmare. It's horrifying to read that some people are in an even more desperate situation!
Ritu from UK Cladding Action Group (UKCAG) reached out to me via twitter DM, was absolutely horrified at our situation, and said she would bring this to the attention of various people to see if they can help on the different aspects of it.
I also now have the email addresses of Taylor Wimpey's Head of Building Remediation and Chief Executive!
Interestingly, Margaret Hodge, MP, responded the following morning.
A few hours later, I finally receive a reply in my inbox from Margaret's office.
//Dear Robert,
Thank you for writing to Margaret.
Please accept our sincerest apologise(sic) for the failure to get back to you any sooner.
We had an incredible back log of correspondence which accumulated during the Christmas and New Year period.
This is not an excuse for our delay, but we do hope you can appreciate that our turnover was not as fast as we would have liked.
Over the years we have had involvement in many remediation/cladding issues faced in Barking. We are concerned to hear of Taylor Wimpey's conduct with some of their properties, and the experience you've had with them.
We are in the process of currently trying to organise a meeting with Taylor Wimpey to flag issues residents have raised and to gain answers. We will ensure that your concerns are raised and addressed as best as we can.
I would be grateful if you were able to send saved copies of the correspondence you explained you have not received response from so Margaret can look in to this further for you.
Best wishes,
//
My reply was as follows:
Hi,
Thanks for getting back to me.
I am attaching the correspondence I sent to Taylor Wimpey.
I never received any response. The managing agent also tells me that he is not “allowed” by Taylor Wimpey to give me the contact details of the person dealing with this, or to forward the correspondence from Taylor Wimpey.
The situation has changed since I wrote to you.
In January 2023, I was forwarded a letter from TW via another resident. (Attached)
The summary of this rather poorly worded letter seems to be that due to the way the Managing Agent has mismanaged the EWS1 survey, they are not able to obtain the complete EWS1 Form, and even though they have the EWS1 Report, they are not willing to proceed. Their letter makes no mention of their prior request for further investigations and refusal to pay for this. (As the Managing Agent maintains is the case.)
The survey now must be carried out to the new PAS 9980 standard. The Managing Agent tells me that Taylor Wimpey also refuses to pay for this. Why are Taylor Wimpey not carrying out the PAS 9980 survey themselves?
The intent of the Building Safety Act and the Building Safety Pledge was clear: Leaseholders should not be forced to pay for any fire safety remediation or associated costs. Taylor Wimpey appear to have found a loophole in the BSA: They can request endless surveys which leaseholders have to pay for while they stall the remediation.
If the building has been assessed in the EWS1 as B2 by a RICS qualified surveyor (requiring remedial works), then surely Taylor Wimpey has to commit to carrying out the remedial work identified. Whether or not they agree with certain technical aspects of the report is a matter between them, the surveyors and/or RICS. If Taylor Wimpey require further surveys to be carried out, they should be paying for this.
I am very pleased to hear you are arranging a meeting with Taylor Wimpey.
I am mindful however, of the length of time this has been going on, and that TW will simply try to pass the buck to the Managing Agent. (Who I believe are now trying to organise a PAS9980 survey which will be acceptable to Taylor Wimpey's very specific requirements, before risking spending a lot of money on another survey that Taylor Wimpey then also will not accept!)
The Managing Agent is telling us one thing, Taylor Wimpey apparently another. Is it possible you could write to the managing agent asking them to meet with them and TW? I would be happy to draft something outlining the current situation.
The building's fire alarms were finally repaired in January. Residents reported it to London Fire Brigade in October. No working fire alarms for almost a year in a building rated B2 fire safety risk. Nobody will discuss with us what the actual risk is, or send me a copy of the EWS1 report unless I pay the managing agent £2,500!
Best regards,
Robert Lister.
Follow-up:
Hi Robert,
Thanks so much for getting back to me and providing the attatchments, we will take a look at each one.
You'll be pleased to know we have also reached out to the managing agent of the block requesting further insight into the remediation of properties and where they stand. We hope this will be a start in getting the responses residents need and clarification on the part each stakeholder has to play.
I would welcome the opportunity to receive the outlines of the situation from you and residents' perspectives as this will allow further insight for our office.
I'd be more than happy to speak with you over the phone if you'd find that at all helpful. If you're available tommorow, please let me know and I will give you a call.
Again, we are very sorry of the experience you've encountered and hope we can work to remedy them.